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[Musicslave]

alguem sabe se as box com as seasons 1 e 2 do Masters of Horror têm leg. em inglês??

[pmcordeiro]

alguem sabe se as box com as seasons 1 e 2 do Masters of Horror têm leg. em inglês??

Duvido muito, nas as edições inglesas que eu tenho só dois ou três episódios têm legendas para surdos, o resto não têm legendas nenhumas.

[Lorde X]

Uma dúvida...eu pensava que os portes desta loja eram sempre grátis... Não eram grátis no passado?

[Musicslave]

pena as legendas

em relação aos portes, em 2 anos que trabalho coma loja os portes nunca foram grátis.

[DREAMASTER]

Uma dúvida...eu pensava que os portes desta loja eram sempre grátis... Não eram grátis no passado?

Sim, já foram gratis.

[DREAMASTER]

Obrigado pela dica

Já tou a fazer uma lista

depois publica-a

Alien Quadrology R1
Yankee Doodle Dandy - SE R1
The Good The Bad and The Ugly R1 (com som original)
Conan the Barbarian - SE R1 (com som original)
The Terminator R1 (com som original)

Para perceberem este meu interesse pelo audio original dos filmes deixo aki texto duma thread que abri no forum da Rewind:

Original Movies audio apreciation thread

I've realised that I enjoy more and more hearing the original movies audio than the new 5.1 remixes(not all, of course)

Some studios are realising that and are starting to release more dvds with movies original audio but some other studios don't.

Look at the SE of The Good The Bad and The Ugly, the new 5.1 audio remix its awful. Give me original mono anyday (well they didn't!). Mainly the old movies that the audio was in mono don't sound that good in the new 5.1 sound remixes.

The mono track in the Jaws latest edition is great. Even some movies that the original audio was in stereo, sound as good as the 5.1 remix.

So I believe that all movies (mainly until the 80's) should come with the original audio release too.

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by Mitchell_Adams
Absolutely

Absolutely,

That’s was one thing that annoyed me with the non R1 James Bond UE, scrapping all the original tracks for 5.1. If there original was Stereo I’m not too fussed as 5.1 usually helps it but if it was mono when definitely still need it as most of the time the remixes include new Foley effects. As wih Jaws, there are many scenes where the boat engine is heard with mono track, and both the surround tracks seem to remove it. So I much prefer how the directed intended it when it was release than hearing some over the top new effects laden track. You’ve mentioned some great titles with there tracks, some of mine are:


Jaws R1 30th AE
Wizard of Oz R4 2 Disc SE
Terminator R1 SE
True Grit R1 CE

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by NewDeep

DREAMASTER wrote:

"So I believe that all movies (mainly until the 80's) should come with the original audio release too."

in fact, when deciding overall winner(s) on rewind dvd / blu-ray comparisons, we should take into account whether the original audio mix, whatever it was in theatres, is included or not on the dvd.

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by Mitchell_Adams on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:07 am

If a DVD has the original audio track it doesn't always win but it's always noted if it includes the original mono trackSome people think a canoe ride can be romantic.



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by NewDeep on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:18 am

Mitchell_Adams wrote:
If a DVD has the original audio track it doesn't always win but it's always noted if it includes the original mono track
true... but don't you think all other things being equal, the one with the original theatrical audio must necessarily win - even if it means that the winning dvd only has the original theatrical audio (say, mono, as an example), while competing dvds have dts and/or dd5.1
if not, why not?

in terms of video transfers, wouldn't you prefer the original theatrical colours and tones and contrasts etc.? Why not the same in terms of audio?
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by Mitchell_Adams on Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:23 am

I see your point, take for example the James Bond UE, the R1's all have the original audio but it's still a draw. It really should go to the R1. I guess it's personal preference as to whether you would want the original audio or a 5.1 remix which sometimes can be quite true to the source and enhance the sound. Luckily though R1 releases usually do include the original audio. Also would you want an old release with a non anamorphic picture, original audio and no extras or the newer SE with a bunch of extras and DD/DTS tracks?Some people think a canoe ride can be romantic.

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by NewDeep on Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:29 am

Mitchell_Adams wrote:
I see your point, take for example the James Bond UE, the R1's all have the original audio but it's still a draw. It really should go to the R1. I guess it's personal preference as to whether you would want the original audio or a 5.1 remix which sometimes can be quite true to the source and enhance the sound. Luckily though R1 releases usually do include the original audio. Also would you want an old release with a non anamorphic picture, original audio and no extras or the newer SE with a bunch of extras and DD/DTS tracks?
Thanks... i agree abt James Bond UEs.

I'd say preferences are one thing and individualistic.
However, winner criteria should be universal and override personal preferences.

Video: the basic reqirement is uncropped picture in original theatrical aspect ratio and colours -- anamorphic or non-anamorphic statuses should be compared only for uncropped videos. As such, even if there's anamorphic video but it's cropped (say, a 2.35:1 movie is presented anamorphically on dvd but only at 2.20:1, cropped), it should still not be overall winner if another dvd with uncropped image, even if non-anamorphic, exists.

Audio: ditto -- basic reqirement is the original theatrical audio mix. additional mixes should be compared only if the original is also there.

I'd want any release with the basics in it and then decide "amongst the equals" if any, in terms of whether they additionally offer anamorphic transfers and dts/5.1 mixes, extras/bonuses etc.
NewDeep
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by Mitchell_Adams on Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:53 am

The soundtrack issue is really dependant on whether it's just enhancing the sound stage or if newly created effects are added. Obviously with the latter thats not always ideal if you want to see the film how it was originally screened. As we're even seeing now, Blu-ray releases are skipping including the original audio which surely isn't becasue of space issues...Some people think a canoe ride can be romantic.
Mitchell_Adams
Rewind Team


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by NewDeep on Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:56 am

i was using video as an example to make a case for similar treatment of audio when declaring winners.
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by Mitchell_Adams on Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:07 am

I think the issue is are we comparing the releases to the film itself or between them?Some people think a canoe ride can be romantic.
Mitchell_Adams
Rewind Team

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by HunterBFH on Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:21 pm

What about Superman?

There were some people were NOT too happy with Superman DVD, having with that new or altered sound added in! They wanted the orginal sound that was heard on TV or at the cinema! Ask bigrob in regards of that! Cos he's a huge Superman fan!

BTW yes I concur with Dreammaster that we want any films released on DVD or Blu-Ray with ORIGINAL audio track!My DVD Collection
http://www.hunterbfh.50megs.com
Works for me!


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by Paul_Lewis on Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:45 pm

DREAMASTER wrote:
I've realised that I enjoy more and more hearing the original movies audio than the new 5.1 remixes(not all, of course)

Some studios are realising that and are starting to release more dvds with movies original audio but some other studios don't.

Look at the SE of The Good The Bad and The Ugly, the new 5.1 audio remix its awful. Give me original mono anyday (well they didn't!). Mainly the old movies that the audio was in mono don't sound that good in the new 5.1 sound remixes.

The mono track in the Jaws latest edition is great. Even some movies that the original audio was in stereo, sound as good as the 5.1 remix.

So I believe that all movies (mainly until the 80's) should come with the original audio release too.


So, what you think about this ?
Wherever the original audio is included, I never listen to a 5.1 mix. The creation of a new foley track for a vintage film is tantamount to madness: it's like painting over the Mona Lisa because you don't think the original colours are vibrant enough. The worst offenders are the R2 MGM special edition releases of the Leone films, although I've seen some DVD releases of Hong Kong-produced films that contain some pretty awful new 5.1 mixes with new foley effects. It's a great pity that the longer cut of THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY isn't available on DVD with the mono English dub: I would have liked to have seen MGM release the longer cut of the movie with the mono English dub, and with the portions of the film that were not dubbed into English presented in Italian with subtitles. I find the movie difficult to watch with the new 5.1 English track: years of listening to the original mono track make the foibles of the new 5.1 mix more noticeable to me.

I don't mind a 5.1 upmix so much, but draw the line at the creation of new foley simply in order to support a 5.1 mix.'I ran out of ambition at the age of 27': Peter Cook.
Paul_Lewis
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by ferdinandhudson on Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:23 pm

Personal peeve is Saturday Night Fever, the beginning in particular, where Stayin' Alive kicks in after the train drives past. The rough mix used of that song was perfectly edited in and matched Tony's strut on the video release. Come the first DVD release they manage to mess that up completely. I'd rather watch the fullscreen VHS of it now than the DVD on that reason alone."500 years ago on the planet Zeist"
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by NewDeep on Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:41 pm

Mitchell_Adams wrote:
I think the issue is are we comparing the releases to the film itself or between them?I think finally the winner is that that's closest to the film. Even when comparing two separate dvds, we ought to select that one as the winner that's closest to the original theatrical experience.
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by Paul_Lewis on Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:49 pm

NewDeep wrote:
Mitchell_Adams wrote:
I think the issue is are we comparing the releases to the film itself or between them?I think finally the winner is that that's closest to the film. Even when comparing two separate dvds, we ought to select that one as the winner that's closest to the original theatrical experience.
I agree in principal, but there are a number of issues complicating this, not least of which is the fact that some DVDs of vintage films contain a mono/stereo track which one may assume is the 'original' audio but which is in fact nothing more than a downmix of a newly-created 5.1 track. For example, Joy Sales' release of EASTERN CONDORS contains a 5.1 mix with a newly-recorded foley track, and the disc also contains a 2.0 mono mix. At first glance, one would infer that the mono track is the 'original', but on closer inspection the mono mix is actually a downmix of the new 5.1 audio, complete with the new foley effects.

Sadly, without direct access to the DVD there's often no way of telling whether the mono/stereo track is the 'original' audio or simply a downmix of the 5.1 track. Even then, unless you're very familiar with the film in question (or you have an exceptionally trained ear which enables you to spot new and modern foley effects) you may be unable to tell the difference; as a consequence, I would be wary of deciding on a DVD release as a 'winner' simply because of its inclusion of a mono or stereo mix: sadly, for the reasons outlined above one can't assume that the mono/stereo track is a direct reflection of what the film sounded like when it was shown in cinemas.

But in principal, I agree fully; and in an ideal world, every DVD release would contain the film's original audio track (for purists like me) and a separate beefed-up modern surround sound track (for people who like such things)
Paul_Lewis
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by DREAMASTER on Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:27 pm

I agree that in the end to see the winner edition, the original audio should be in account. Like, Special Edition from various regions be the same, loaded with extras but one of them has the original audio, then this one should be the winner.

[DREAMASTER]

Acho q é um assunto q muitos cinéfilos aqui não ligam muito ou mesmo nada e acho q seria interessante discutir aki tb

[Gollum]

Acho q é um assunto q muitos cinéfilos aqui não ligam muito ou mesmo nada e acho q seria interessante discutir aki tb

Sinceramente nunca me passou pela cabeça este assunto sobre a qualidade do aúdio original vs remix , mas também não tenho assim muito bom ouvido(não notei por exemplo que o 5.1 do good,the bad and the ugly fosse menos bom que o original). Mas apoio sempre a versão original acima de qualquer outra. Para mim a versão que passa no cinema é definitiva e é essa que procuro sempre em dvd.

PS: Qualidade de imagem salta mais à vista.

[DREAMASTER]

No good,the bad and the ugly a questão não é o 5.1 ser melhor ou pior q o original mas sim terem desaparecido os efeitos sonoros originais (ex. som das pistolas) e com o 5.1 terem sido criados novos. Eu topei logo no inicio do filme q os tiros não me soavam como eu sempre me habituei a ouvir. Po isso tb comprei as ediçoes especiais alemas dos filmes, por um punhado de dolares e por mais alguns dolares por terem o audio original e q é uma verdadeira beleza .

[jimmy]

No good,the bad and the ugly a questão não é o 5.1 ser melhor ou pior q o original mas sim terem desaparecido os efeitos sonoros originais (ex. som das pistolas) e com o 5.1 terem sido criados novos. Eu topei logo no inicio do filme q os tiros não me soavam como eu sempre me habituei a ouvir. Po isso tb comprei as ediçoes especiais alemas dos filmes, por um punhado de dolares e por mais alguns dolares por terem o audio original e q é uma verdadeira beleza .

No Good , The Bad and The Ugly nao deixa de ser curioso que o Blondie a certa altura diz "Every gun makes its own tune...." e na edicao do dvd isso nao é tido em conta

[lostboys]

entao nao ha ai uma lista?

o que tinha em ideia ou está esgotado ou entao o valor duplicou logo nao compensa.

Ficam sugestoes
Various Artists | Live Aid - 16€
Lost Boys 2 - 15€
Get Smart - 13€

[kid]

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[DREAMASTER]

Então hoje a campanha já acabou? Q eu saiba a semana acaba aos sabados e começa aos domingos.

[Wickedbug]

Então hoje a campanha já acabou? Q eu saiba a semana acaba aos sabados e começa aos domingos.

O banner do site tinha um countdown com os dias/horas que faltavam para acabar a campanha

[Skywatcher]

Estva um banner enorme na pagina principal com um timer com o tempo restante.
Ontem à noite faltavam 19h, por isso deve ter sido até ao meio dia ou isso, embora seja eu a dizer de cabeça.