Lost

[JRibeiro]

Eu gostei do final, foi uma boa forma de acabar a série. O núcleo de Lost foi sempre as personagens, os mistérios e a ilha era apenas o condimento, mas o principal da série foi sempre as personagens e aqui tivemos um final que juntou de novo todo o elenco e deu-nos um encerramento, mesmo que não tenha encerrado a história. Sugiro que vejam o especial do Jimmy Kimmel chamado Aloha to Lost, deu em directo logo a seguir ao final de Lost, como se pode ver neste clip:



E ficam aqui alguns finais alternativos para a série

[Darkav]

Achei o final bastante poderoso. Adorei estes seis anos de Lost, sem tirar nenhuma season. Deu espaço para especular sobre as pequenas coisas que não explicaram explicitamente, indo-se sempre descobrir pedaços aqui e ali que fazem sentido.

DarkPhoenix, o único WTF que me vem à mente é "mas porque raio é que ainda continuavas a ver o Lost"?! Masoquismo?! Tantas horas perdidas, pá! :P

[jimmy]

Eu não sei bem porquê mas ainda consigo ficar surpreendido como as series americanas (fora do cabo) raramente têm direcção. Lost é apenas mais uma, numa longa tradição de uma forma de contar historias onde a finalidade não é a história em si mas o numero de episódios.

Um finale ao nível daquilo que tem sido o Lost dos últimos tempos. A acabar num verdadeiro lamaçal, sem apelo nem agrado perante as suas personagens e , como se esperava , a varrer para debaixo do tapete toda a mitologia que a serie foi criando (e que foi o aspecto impulsionador do culto da serie pela net fora , que afinal se revelou completamente irrelevante).

Foi pena os escritores não fazerem a mínima ideia do que pretendiam. Nem as personagens interessantes (ben ,locke , eko e o richard alpert) souberam tratar. Excluo o Desmond pois o The Constant é na minha opinião o melhor episodio da serie e o culminar de uma relacao amorosa (com a penny)….só é pena que isso já foi há algum tempo .

Os americanos arranjaram a expressão jump the shark por alguma razão.

Dispenso o comentário habitual "its all about the characters" (se existe serie que se esteve a marimbar para 90% das personagens foi mesmo esta)....o que vale é que serve para todas os maus finais. Acho piada que li exactamente o mesmo sobre os horríveis momentos finais do Galactica.

[miguelj]

38 DVDs ou 36 Blurays disponivel a 24 de Agosto

[JRibeiro]

Comentário de um dos argumentistas da série, o final estava planeado desde o momento que o pilot foi feito:

First ...
The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...

Now...

Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.

For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I've been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I've loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.

In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding.

[miguelj]

Uma teoria:

http://www.scribd.com/full/31889226?acc ... 93xb9olh6c

[DarkPhoenix]

Essa análise que o JRibeiro colocou aí, é suposto ser de alguém que trabalha para os estúdios, não de um argumentista da série.
Também vi essa thread na IMDB.

Seja como for, não responde a uma carrada de perguntas, como por exemplo o raio dos números mágicos...

O final de Lost é altamente subjectivo na interpretação.
Aliás, foi a única forma que os argumentistas encontraram para tentarem safar-se da alhada em que se meteram.
Nada como umas tretas de fé para impedir que a lei da lógica possa ser aplicada.
Lost, uma grande e espectacular fraude.

[jimmy]

Estava tudo planeadissimo

Mentir é feio...e neste caso patético. Mas existe gente para comer tudo . É sempre giro uma serie ter 100 e tal episódios e no fim existir pessoas a tentar a toda a força a querer explicar aquilo que a serie não se dignou a resolver. Estão no direito deles , podem dizer que não era relevante (que nao é mais do que fuga para a frente) agora nao precisamos de ser tratados como parvinhos. Tenho andado a rever os episódios antigos e este final (season ,não episodio) pelo menos fez me poupar uns valentes euros na aquisição da serie.

[JRibeiro]

Seja como for, não responde a uma carrada de perguntas, como por exemplo o raio dos números mágicos...

Os números que tiveram tanto relevo na segunda temporada foram explicados num dos vídeos da Lost Experience:

In The Lost Experience it was revealed that these six numbers are the core values of the Valenzetti Equation, a mathematical formula designed to predict the end of humanity. The numbers in actuality are said to represent human and environmental factors in the equation, though their precise meaning is uncertain. One purpose of the DHARMA Initiative was to change the factors leading to humanity's demise, which will be indicated by an alteration in at least one of the human/environmental factors that succeeds in changing one of the numbers. However, in all its years of research, the Initiative failed to reach its goal. Despite much research and manipulation of the equation's values, the end result was always the same.
In an interview with E! in 2009, Damon stated the following in regards to the Numbers: "Here's the story with numbers. The Hanso Foundation that started the Dharma Initiative hired this guy Valenzetti to basically work on this equation to determine what was the probability of the world ending in the wake of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Valenzetti basically deduced that it was 100 percent within the next 27 years, so the Hanso Foundation started the Dharma Initiative in an effort to try to change the variables in the equation so that mankind wouldn't wipe itself out."

[DarkPhoenix]

Já somos dois, jimmy.

Esta última season fez com que - gradualmente - eu perdesse qualquer interesse em adquirir ou sequer rever esta série.
Não que isso vá danificar as memórias dos bons tempos de Lost.


Quanto ao planeadíssimo:
Uma das teorias que abundam por aí no pós-finale é de que toda a série é basicamente a história do Jack.
Mas então se já foi revelado pelos argumentistas que essa personagem esteve destinada para morrer logo no episódio piloto?!?


O que condicionou a "evolução" da série foram as dificuldades em segurar determinados actores, a escrita sem rumo e em cima do joelho, o feedback da internet e a incerteza do futuro nas séries de tv USA, sempre condicionadas pela tirania das audiências.

[Darkav]

Quando soube que não iriam explicar tudo na série, fiquei realmente contente. Se explicassem tudo, a série perderia toda a sua mística. Isso só resulta quando um filme ou uma série tem apenas um mistério pendente. "Uhh I see dead people", ou "Ahh a estátua da liberdade enterrada na areia". Mas com a dimensão dos mistérios do Lost, explicar tudo certinho para que todos o entendesse, seria catastrófico. Lembro-me das discussões e teorias fabulosas que houve no final do segundo filme do Matrix, e do resultado que foi quando os Wachowskis explicaram tudo no terceiro filme. E mesmo assim, Lost explicou imensas coisas. Não estava à espera de tanto.

Achei o final muito poderoso do ponto de vista emocional. Depois de toda aquela longa viagem, ver o Jack a morrer só, exactamente no mesmo sítio onde acordou na ilha (o pormenor do ténis envelhecido pendurado estava fabuloso) e ver todos os que sobreviveram a ficarem sós, foi um bocado triste. No entanto, nas regras do universo de Lost, no final todos reencontraram aqueles que mais amaram, mas não pareceu real. Pelo menos a mim.

[JLC]

Adorei o final. Quando a box de todas as séries ficar a um preço acessivel, cá estarei.

[Wickedbug]

Achei o final muito poderoso do ponto de vista emocional. Depois de toda aquela longa viagem, ver o Jack a morrer só, exactamente no mesmo sítio onde acordou na ilha (o pormenor do ténis envelhecido pendurado estava fabuloso) e ver todos os que sobreviveram a ficarem sós, foi um bocado triste. No entanto, nas regras do universo de Lost, no final todos reencontraram aqueles que mais amaram, mas não pareceu real. Pelo menos a mim.

Live together, die alone personificado (ainda que tenha tido a companhia do Vincent nos momentos finais, um pequeno toque que adorei).

Que interessa se estava planeado do início ou não? Há pessoas que parece que mal estreia uma série lhes querem que diga como acaba para pouparem o "trabalho" de ver o resto. Interessa é a viagem (que foi óptima) e que o final, planeado ou não, funcione (para mim funcionou ainda que não tenha sido óptimo).

Foi lamechas, puxou à lágrima e apesar disso adorei cada minuto e cada reencontro (só faltou um maior momento Desmond/Penny, mas seria difícil superar o The Constant).

Quem esperava uma palestra de 2h do Jacob explicando uma longa lista de mistério (e de coisas que nem devia ser apelidadas disso) talvez tenha ficado desiludido

[kon-el]

Por um momento pensei que ia acertar, porque na brincadeira disse que a série iria acabar com o Vincent a piscar o olho para nós :D lol

[Argaroth01]

Também acho que a série só podia mesmo terminar desta forma. Apesar de não se terem clarificado alguns mistérios, creio que foi claro o suficiente para se perceber as dinâmicas essenciais.

Não acredito que tudo tenha sido planeado desde o início, simplesmente porque isso é impossível de antever. Um esboço, talvez. Mas com tantos imprevistos que a logística e as audiências, só para mencionar alguns, trazem, torna-se bastante difícil. Mesmo os próprios autores admitiram que só lá para meados da 2ª série é que conseguiram encontrar um rumo.

De resto, cada um é vítima das suas expectativas. E isso sempre fez parte de "Lost".