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«Quarteto Fantástico» terá terceiro episódio

O terceiro filme de «Quarteto Fantástico» está confirmado, de acordo com o site Splash Page, dando continuidade ao já anunciado pela Fox, no início de 2007, que deu «luz verde» à sequela da saga dos quatro super-heróis.
Depois do sucesso de bilheteiras de «Quarteto Fantástico e o Surfista Prateado», os estúdios revelaram que a próxima história será mais obscura que a primeira longa-metragem, mas essa não será a única mudança. Elenco e realização também serão diferentes.

No início do ano passado, Chris Evans, que interpretou o Tocha-Humana, afirmou que estava «bastante certo» de que não fariam mais um filme. «É um livro fechado», declarou, durante uma entrevista à MTV.

Por outro lado, em «Quarteto Fantástico e o Surfista Prateado», de 2007, os quatro heróis descobrem que não são os únicos dotados de super-poderes, ao serem atacados pelo vilão, pelo que isso deixa a porta aberta a novas personagens.
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Este filme não será uma continuação mas sim um novo recomeço da história.
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Alterem o título do tópico :-)

Acabei de ler uma notícia sobre este filme que me preocupou ainda mais, parece que este reboot não será baseado na banda desenhada. Eu já estava desiludido por termos um Tocha-Humana de raça negra (não sou racista mas sou apologista que os personagens deviam seguir a caraterização original), agora o facto do próprio realizador aconselhar a protagonista a não ler a banda desenhada porque o filme não seria baseado na própria é horrível.

"A atriz Kate Mara (‘American Horror Story’) falou pela primeira vez sobre o reboot de ‘Quarteto Fantástico‘. Ela, que interpreta Susan “Sue” Storm, mais conhecida como a Mulher Invisível, revelou que o longa não será baseado nos quadrinhos.

“Eu nunca fui fã de quadrinhos, eu nunca li um. Eu ia ler para fazer este filme, mas o diretor disse que não era necessário. Bem, na verdade ele nos disse que não devemos ler os quadrinhos porque o enredo não será baseado em nenhuma história já publicado. Então optei por seguir as suas instruções. A única verdade é que eu sou fã de filmes de quadrinhos, por isso é muito emocionante fazer parte deste”, afirmou."


Parece que este reboot será pior que os originais, só pedia que parassem de inventar e tentassem ser mais fiéis às bandas desenhadas.
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Apenas mais algumas pérolas que a malta envolvida neste projeto anda a dizer... De todos os filmes de super-heróis, acho que só o Catwoman me causou tanto asco mesmo antes de sair (e depois viu-se a maravilha que aquilo era).

Este filme vai conseguir a proeza de fazer os dois filmes anteriores (que foram medíocres, na melhor das hipóteses), parecerem verdadeiras obras-primas.
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Ah, e já agora... Pelos vistos o filme será o oposto disto tudo:

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A propósito do que os actores andam a dizer:

http://badassdigest.com/2014/07/19/fant ... od-quotes/
The internet freaks out when Kate Mara says FANTASTIC FOUR isn't based on any comics.

Quick, on which comic storyline is Captain America: The First Avenger based? You can point to elements from Captain America Comics #1 that appear in the film, very specifically in the Cap origin sequence, and you can certainly see the influence of some comic book storylines on the film, but in general it's not really based on any one comic. Neither is Thor: The Dark World. Or The Avengers. Or The Dark Knight. They pull elements from the comics, but they're not real translations of any one comic story; even Captain America: The Winter Soldier plays very fast and quite loose with the famous story from which it draws its name.

I mention this because there has been an uproar about some comments made by the Fantastic Four cast this week, especially Kate Mara, who said:

I’ve never been a fan of comics, I’ve never actually read one. I was going to for this movie but the director said it wasn’t necessary. Well, actually he told us that we shouldn’t do it because the plot won’t be based on any history of anything already published.

Which sent off alarm bells across fandom because a lot of people expect to be pandered to in these situations. They expect the actors and filmmakers to be able to point to a specific storyline or run and say "This is what we're doing," even though it almost never is. Here's the thing about Mara's quote: you could apply it to almost any superhero movie released. Hell, I just saw Guardians of the Galaxy and while I could tell you exactly what run influenced it, the film isn't adapting any single story whatsoever. If there's no one to one storyline you're using why send your non-comic reading female lead down a rabbit hole of different iterations and versions of these characters, who have morphed and changed over five decades?

I don't know much about the latest drafts of the script, but I can tell you that previous drafts prove the concerns that this movie isn't drawing from any Fantastic Four storyline wrong. Earlier drafts had many elements that will be familiar to readers of the first Ultimate Fantastic Four arc, which in broad strokes is a nice update of a very space age comic concept. The idea of Reed and friends stealing a rocket for a joyride seems weird now; creating a dimensional portal feels way more correct. And all the school stuff - the Baxter Building as a high-level science genius academy - works nicely as well. These have been elements present in previous drafts of the script.

Meanwhile Michael B. Jordan said stuff that also upset people, especially those who maybe never read Fantastic Four. He said:

It’s not your typical superhero film, you know, we aren’t looking at this as like, being superheroes. We’re more or less a bunch of kids that had an accident and we have disabilities now that we have to cope with, and try to find a life afterwards – try to be as normal as we can.

That's a different spin than Stan Lee and Jack Kirby had... sort of. He's certainly describing The Thing to a tee here. And you know what? The Fantastic Four are not superheroes in the modern conventional cinematic sense. They're science adventurers, explorers and an occasional defense system against the truly weird and bizarre and malevolent. They don't fight crime, they get tangled up in interdimensional wars. Their main enemy is the ruler of a foreign nation. They don't fit the superhero mold as we know it from movies, and the fact that director Josh Trank gets that is good. I honestly don't know how any serious reader of Fantastic Four can look at this next quote and not feel ecstatic:

One of the good things about the Fantastic Four is that everybody is different. And it’s like, sometimes family doesn’t always consist of your relatives or by blood. Sometimes your best friends can feel more like family than your cousins. I think everybody kind of has that same feeling. When you go through an accident together, when you go through a traumatic event, sometimes that brings you closer together.

That is Stan and Jack's vision for Fantastic Four in a nutshell - this unconventional family brought together by strange circumstance. I love that this is the angle. How can you be a fan of the property and not feel good about this?

Will Josh Trank's Fantastic Four be any good? Beats me. But it sounds like he's making a science fiction movie centered around the concept of family, which is what this adaptation should be.
PS - Quando se diz que não é baseado na BD, regra geral isso quer dizer que não estão a adaptar nenhum arco específico, não que não tenha qualquer ligação ao material de origem.
Paulo Sousa Dias wrote:Ah, e já agora... Pelos vistos o filme será o oposto disto tudo:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... e&id=51064
Longe de mim de que querer negar o direito ao cinismo de quem quer que seja mas não há indicação absolutamente nenhuma de qual vai ser a direcção da história. As afirmações dos actores são do mais generalista e omissas possíveis. Tirando os X-Men, cujo produtor já veio dizer não partilhar o mesmo universo que os Fantastic Four, não vejo porque é que esta nova versão do Quarteto não pode ir ao encontro da maioria desses pontos. Agora, muito provavelmente o que vamos ter é uma adaptação da versão Ultimate.
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Longe de mim querer negar o direito ao optimismo de quem quer que seja...
Argaroth01 wrote: Longe de mim de que querer negar o direito ao cinismo de quem quer que seja mas não há indicação absolutamente nenhuma de qual vai ser a direcção da história. As afirmações dos actores são do mais generalista e omissas possíveis. Tirando os X-Men, cujo produtor já veio dizer não partilhar o mesmo universo que os Fantastic Four, não vejo porque é que esta nova versão do Quarteto não pode ir ao encontro da maioria desses pontos. Agora, muito provavelmente o que vamos ter é uma adaptação da versão Ultimate.
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Só não entendo como é que estão sempre a querer repetir filmes de super heróis que já foram feitos depois de haver tantos outros que nunca foram levados para a tela...
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THX wrote:Só não entendo como é que estão sempre a querer repetir filmes de super heróis que já foram feitos depois de haver tantos outros que nunca foram levados para a tela...
Exato, gostava de ver filmes do Deadpool, Pantera Negra ou Namor.
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Namor era muito fixe!!
Mas parece que já estão a preparar um filme sobre o Dr. Estranho/Doc. Strange.

Li há pouco algures que a Marvel está a pensar em tornar o Thor...numa mulher.
Parece que é para cativar mais raparigas ao universo Marvel.

Portanto, e se a ideia for para a frente, poderemos ver um tocha-humana negro e um Thor feminino (Thora??).

Daqui a uns tempos ainda vamos ter um Ironman gay...
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O Coisa do Quarteto Fantástico gay é que era!

Imaginam ele a dizer "Tá na hora do pau!"???

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Aproveitei este tópico que existia sobre "Fantastic Four" e acrescentei-lhe alguns elementos.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1502712/?ref_=nv_sr_1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastic ... 2015_film)

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First Reviews: 'Fantastic Four' is a '100-Minute Trailer' for a Movie That Never Starts


Fox kept the big-budget Marvel movie away from critics and even its own stars. No wonder.


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"Fantastic Four" has been making the wrong kinds of headlines for months, ranging from reports that director Josh Trank was pulled from shooting a "Star Wars" spinoff after word of his behavior on the set leaked out, to the cast's admission that even they weren't being shown the movie before it opened. Evidently things aren't likely to get any better, as the first reviews jumping out ahead of the embargo originally set for tomorrow call it a 100-minute trailer (or, in Variety's case, a "teaser") for a movie that never seems to actually start. The cast, which includes Miles Teller, Kate Mara, Michael B. Jordan, and Jamie Bell, gets decent marks, with critics finding their non-superheroic rapport reasonably engaging. But the film squanders more than half its length on (re-)telling the group's origin story, leaving precious little time to devote to the inevitable showdown with Doctor Doom. Although the "X-Men" movies keep humming along, it seems Sony made the right movie in hitching future "Spider-Man" movies to Marvel Studios' star rather than developing along their own, isolated lines. If comic-book fans react to "Fantastic Four" anything like critics have, the Human Torch may flicker out once again.

Reviews of "Fantastic Four"

Todd McCarthy, Hollywood Reporter

"Fantastic Four" feels like a 100-minute trailer for a movie that never happens. At this point in the ever-expanding cinematic superhero game, it behooves any filmmakers who gets involved to have at least a mildly fresh take on their characters and material, but this third attempt to create a worthy cinematic franchise from the first of Stan Lee and Jack Kirby's iconic comic book creations, which can genuinely claim to have launched the Age of Marvel, proves maddeningly lame and unimaginative. A sense of heaviness, gloom and complete disappointment settles in during the second half, as the mundane set-up results in no dramatic or sensory dividends whatsoever. Even if lip-service is paid to some great threat to life on Earth as we know it, the filmmakers bring nothing new to the formula, resulting in a film that's all wind-up and no delivery. If the writers couldn't think of anything interesting to do with these characters in this first series reboot, they do nothing to inspire the viewer to expect they could do something exciting with a sequel.

Brian Lowry, Variety

Where many recent superhero movies have risked overstaying their welcome, "Fantastic Four," at 100 minutes, actually feels a tad rushed at the end, with a hasty climax that nevertheless produces some solid moments — at least a few of which, given the slow pace initially, probably should have come at least a half-hour sooner. Alas, it takes a long time before anyone gets around to clobbering much of anything. And because it’s hardly a mystery that the heroes will end up united and facing off with Doom, there’s a sense of killing time in the early going that’s not adequately compensated for by the fate-of-the-world-in-the-balance action sequence that finally ensues.

Tim Grierson, Screen International

"Fantastic Four's" failure is even more dispiriting considering that Trank’s "Chronicle" was, in essence, a superhero origin film, cleverly revitalizing the found-footage genre to tell the story of some young men who stumble upon incredible powers that ultimately destroy them because they lack the necessary discipline. That scenario recalls "Fantastic Four," but with a much bigger budget and grander, more self-important themes, Trank can't summon up the inventiveness, pathos or edge that made "Chronicle" so stirring. Even the new film’s action scenes feel choppy and unimpressive. As for the cast, they're mostly lending a sense of authority to a movie utterly lacking in confidence or vision.

Alonso Duralde, the Wrap

It's one thing for a movie to leave you wanting a sequel and quite another to make you wish you were watching that sequel instead. "Fantastic Four" — the second attempt by Fox and the third by Hollywood in general to bring Marvel Comics' popular superteam to the big screen — offers glimmers of good things to come in its final moments, but only after the audience has slogged through yet another dispiriting origin story and yet another Earth-rescuing battle in a bland, CG-created nowhere land. Once we get to the inevitable showdown — rubber-limbed Reed, disappearing Sue, pyrotechnic Johnny and rock-covered Ben versus metal-encased, energy-manipulating Victor — it’s too little, too late. The big finale, for all its inevitability, at least offers some hope of excitement, but by that time, it’s all too easy to have checked out of "Fantastic Four."

Emma Diblin, Digital Spy

In the face of such bad buzz, it's hard not to feel a little sorry for the finished product, which is a harmless and endearingly cartoonish throwback to more simple comic book movie times.

But whatever strengths "Fantastic Four" has, it does not feel like a movie directed by Trank (who made such a striking debut with 2012's bold anti-superhero fable "Chronicle") or for that matter by anyone. It's a muddled and underdeveloped origin story which segues jarringly from light-hearted adventure to heavy-handed grit, grasping for a gravitas that it hasn't earned.

The scenes that work best are those that require no effects and minimal action, when the film's appealing young cast are given free reign to play off one another – Teller and Jordan being, unsurprisingly, the charismatic standouts. Even with relationships as surface-deep as the ones here, there's something endearing about their interactions and the film's emphasis on friendship.

Unfortunately those moments get fewer and further between as the story unfolds, with the third act losing itself entirely in cliched dramatic beats and a would-be climactic final battle that feels utterly weightless and lacking in any stakes.


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http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fantastic_four_2015/

Pior cotação de sempre para um filme de super-heróis?


Pior vai ser complicado e isto porque existe "Catwoman".

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/catwoman/
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Mais "peripécias" sobre este "Fantastic Four".

Realizador arrasa "Quarteto Fantástico"

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Josh Trank acusa o estúdio de ter destruído o filme.



Josh Trank, realizador de "Quarteto Fantástico" veio a público acusar a 20th Century Fox de ter destruído o filme. Num tweet que apagou pouco tempo depois, Trank afirmou: "Um ano atrás, tinha uma versão fantástica deste filme que teria recebido ótimas críticas. Provavelmente nunca irão vê-lo. Essa é a realidade."


Além de realizador, Trank foi também um dos argumentistas, com Simon Kinberg (também produtor) e Jeremy Slater.

Antes, o jovem realizador de "Chronicle" fora vítima de rumores que o denunciaram como não estando preparado para dirigir uma produção de grandes dimensões como "Quarteto Fantástico". Acusado por fontes anónimas do estúdio de "indecisão", falta de comunicação e comportamentos "erráticos", exovalhado pela história de que teria sido Kinberg a tomar as rédeas do filme em conjunto com outro dos produtores, Trank acabaria por ser afastado do segundo spin-off de "Star Wars" - com a tradicional justificação de "divergências criativas".

Entretanto, as péssimas críticas ao filme e a constante afirmação pela imprensa norte-americana de que "Quarteto Fantástico" será um desastre na bilheteira levaram Kinberg a tentar reduzir danos defendendo o trabalho efetuado numa entrevista à Entertainment Weekly. "Estou orgulhoso do filme. Não será um desastre" lê-se no título do artigo. "Estou muito feliz com o resultado final. Adoro este elenco e quero continuar a fazer filmes com eles", acrescentou Kinberg sobre a produção que terá custado 122 milhões de dólares.

"Quarteto Fantástico" estreia sexta-feira na América do Norte e conta com Miles Teller, Kate Mara, Michael B. Jordan, Jamie Bell, e Toby Kebbell nos principais papéis da história que conta a origem dos super-heróis Mr. Fantastic, The Invisible Woman, The Human Torch, e The Thing.


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Isto, Batmans, Guardians of Galaxy, Avengers e afins é tudo farinha do mesmo saco! Não entendo como é que este tem pontuação de 4 e os outros 8s e 9s.
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