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The story follows Echo (Eliza Dushku), a "doll" or "Active" for the Los Angeles "Dollhouse", one of several fictional facilities run by a company which hires out human beings to wealthy clients. These "engagements" range from romantic interludes to high-risk criminal enterprises. Each Active has their original memories wiped and exists in a child-like blank state until programmed via the insertion of new memories and personalities for each mission. Actives such as Echo are ostensibly volunteers who have surrendered their minds and bodies to the organization for five-year stints, during which their original personalities are saved on hard drives, in exchange for vast amounts of money and a solution to any other problematic circumstances in their lives. Echo is unique however in that she remembers small amounts even after personality "wipes", and gradually develops an increasingly cognizant self-awareness and personality. This concept allows the series to examine the notions of identity and personhood.

Joss Whedon decidiu dar a conhecer aos fãs o que realmente se está a passar, e tem passado, com a produção da sua mais recente série, “Dollhouse.”
I thought it was time to check in with you once again, gentle viewers. Or readers. Or pictures-looker-ats (that might be viewers). Also listeners, sniffers, haberdashers, Olympic hopefuls, the elderly, the youngerdly, and the mighty state of Oregon (go Oregon-based sports franchise!) Welcome all. Welcome… to me.

What’s me up to? I’m glad me asked. Me’ve (I’m not doing that any more) been working on a little show called Dollhouse. Yes, perhaps you’ve read about how it’s blazing an untrammeled path to surefire success, with nary a hitch or a hiccup, just pure blazing blazery, comet-like and meteoresque. What’s that, you say? You’ve read other things? Dark, Yog-Sothothy rumors about shutdowns and delays? Poppycock! They’re true. But I never pass up a chance to say “poppycock”. (”Balderdash” is so ‘07. Let it go.) I know there’s been a lot of concern, various fabulous hues of panic alert readiness. So here’s the skinny. Some of the names have been changed.

The show was ruined by Flim Flinear. Okay, that’s another lie, and you’re probably close to giving up on this blog, so here we go. Yes, we’ve had to make adjustments. Yes, it’s been hard and I’ve been depressing to be around for awhile. Basically, the Network and I had different ideas about what the tone of the show would be. They bought something somewhat different than what I was selling them, which is not that uncommon in this business. Their desires were not surprising: up the stakes, make the episodes more stand-alone, stop talking about relationships and cut to the chase. Oh, and add a chase. That you can cut to. Nothing I hadn’t heard before on my other shows (apparently my learning curve has no bendy part) but frustrating as hell given our circumstances - a pilot shot, scripts written, everybody marching together/gainfully employed… and then a shutdown. Glad I was for the breathing room, but it’s hardly auspicious. So back into the writer cave I went, wondering why I put up with this when I can make literally dozens of dollars making internet movies. Why I do put up with this is divided into three parts.

One: They’re not wrong. Oh, we don’t see eye-to-eye on everything, but wanting the first episodes to be exciting and accessible is not exactly Satanic. Being Satan is, but that’s in their free time and hey, there’s no judging in the Dollhouse. This kind of back and forth has happened on every show I’ve done, so if you liked those, chances are that was a part of why. And the need to focus on the essentials of what makes this universe tick - and which wire to cut to make it stop - really does bring up our game. So we as a staff have gone from blinking like unhoused moles to delving in with the same relish we had when we started. The show is really coming together now, in a way that I believe excites us and satisfies the Network. Of course, I have no idea if anybody else will like it, but I have the same faith in the staff, the crew and the remarkable cast that I always did. More, in fact. And what’s more crucial:

Two: Nothing essential has changed about the universe. The ideas and relationships that intrigued me from the start are all there (though some have shifted, more on that), and the progression of the first thirteen eps has me massively excited. The episode we’re shooting now I wrote as fast as anything I have before, not because I had to (although, funny side-note: I had to) but because I couldn’t stop the words from coming. Because I can feel the show talking to me; delighting, scaring and occasionally even offending me. It’s alive. Alive! Which is a far cry from how I felt a month ago. It’s been hilarious trying to keep up with what’s in, what’s out, who’s met whom and when - we’ve shot all of the first seven episodes out of airing order - but it’s come together in a pretty thrilling way. My huge gratitude to our cast for their precision and patience. Which also includes…

Three: Eliza. Watching her on the monitors at two o’clock this morning I was reminded forcibly how much I wished I were in bed – but also how strong, radiant and unmistakable her presence is. She’s someone who could coast on talent and never ever does. I love to watch her work. In fact, I think I got myself into this mess for that very reason, and though I have this fall occasionally sworn never to eat lunch with an actor I like again, I’m pretty pleased and crazy proud.

So here’s me, slogging away on a show like days of old and not hating life. Again, you guys will be the judge, jury and execu… lawyer, but we do have something to show you. Something, I’m chuffed to say, still pretty damn strange.

As for what’s been changed, well, some things I obviously can’t tell you. Some I can, for the record: The original pilot was in fact thrown out. Again, at my behest. Once it became clear what paradigm the Network was shooting for, it just didn’t fit at all, even after I’d reshot more than half of it (see above re: despair). To get a sense of how completely turned around I was during this process, you should know there was a scene with Eliza and the astonishing Ashley Johnson that I wrote and shot completely differently three different times, with different characters in different places (actually I wrote it closer to eight times), and none of it will ever see air. Which is as it should be (though I’m determined to get Ms. Johnson back in the future). The scene just didn’t belong anymore. Similarly, the character of November has fallen out of the mix, because the show simply moves too fast now for me to do what I wanted with her. Season three, anyone…? Happily, Miracle Laurie is still with us in a new role, playing against (and pining for) Tahmoh’s character, Paul Ballard. Their chemistry is deeply nifty. The only other major cast shift is that the Dollhouse head of security, Laurence Dominic (played by Reed Diamond), who was written just for the now-defunct first ep, has stuck like fly-paper, and Reed is very much in the family for the present. (Most of my problems seem to involve my actors making themselves indispensable. This is the good problem kind.)

Apart from that, it’s all hush-hush: some things I’d intended to hold back are laid out much sooner, and some are rolling out more slowly. We’re still heading toward Tim’s intense two-part mind-blower - right before a thirteenth ep that may actually just be insane.

And finally, young Steve DeKnight, after writing and shooting an ep so cool it helped not only define the show but save its ass, is ending his consulting duties, the f#%&er. I will be crying on the shoulder of Jane Espenson come Monday, so congratudolences are in order. Excited for the Jane Flava.

And there you have it. I’ll be writing more bulletins about “Cabin” and a certain DVD in the very near future, but I wanted to get you all some actual information for a change. I can count on you guys not to tell anyone, right? What’s a blog?

Faithfully, -joss.
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Re: Dollhouse - Primeira Temporada (c/spoilers)

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Re: Dollhouse - Primeira Temporada (c/spoilers)

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falando da promo , acho que está boa, gostei da montagem e da musica yes-)

quanto à sére, tenho grandes expectativas vindo de quem vem, acho que vai surpreender, apesar da Fox ter metido a colher, mas o Joss já disse que está tudo bem, e assim espero
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E voces já viram o ep? Que acharam? tem pernas para andar o projecto?? Que acham do horário e dia de exibição?
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Re: DOLLHOUSE - SÉRIE I

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Já existia um tópico mais antigo sobre a série: http://forum.dvdmania.org/viewtopic. ... =dollhouse

E não, não achei o episódio grande coisa. Mas dou um desconto ao Whedon visto que este não era o seu piloto.
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O Episódio deixou-me indiferente.

Não achei a coisa original por aí além. Soou-me a "ALIAS".

Não houve nada no episódio que me prendesse.

Estou para ver o que vai sair disto, porque se a coisa não se desenvolver... não vai ter grande sucesso.

Vamos lá ver o que acontece no próximo.
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Re: DOLLHOUSE - SÉRIE I

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Também não gostei, esperava mais do Whedon...

Parece uma série soft, na linha da Buffy mas sem carisma.

A Dushku surge-me como um erro de casting... e aquela personagem do médico puto imaturo é ridícula, pretendia-se algo mais de acordo com a seriedade do assunto.

Detesto o que vou dizer, mas entre o piloto do Fringe e isto... preferi o do Fringe.

Espero que isto não se torne outro Knight Rider.
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e ta tudo dito...
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muito sinceramente não sei o porquê do "epic fail"

tudo bem que não foi aquilo que muitos esperavam, eu incluido, mas não foi mau.. eu ate gostei...

espero que tudo não se resuma ao "caso da Semana" e que se desenvolva a narrativa principal que regularidade.
ao contrario de alguns gosto da Eliza e acho que o papel lhe fica bem, acho errado se falar em carisma com apenas um episódio, Buffy que muitos idolatram não teve um pilot muito famoso e depois foi o que se viu..

não gostei foi a forma como se desenrolou e resolveu o caso, tudo feito muito à pressa com muitas coisas forcadas e a mim pareceu-me que faltou ali um pedaço do episódio
gostei do agente e da cena final, veremos o que sai daqui

mas vou continuar a segui ate porque adoro o trabalho do Joss e este pilot não era inteiramente dele
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Musicslave wrote:muito sinceramente não sei o porquê do "epic fail"

tudo bem que não foi aquilo que muitos esperavam, eu incluido, mas não foi mau.. eu ate gostei...

espero que tudo não se resuma ao "caso da Semana" e que se desenvolva a narrativa principal que regularidade.
ao contrario de alguns gosto da Eliza e acho que o papel lhe fica bem, acho errado se falar em carisma com apenas um episódio, Buffy que muitos idolatram não teve um pilot muito famoso e depois foi o que se viu..

não gostei foi a forma como se desenrolou e resolveu o caso, tudo feito muito à pressa com muitas coisas forcadas e a mim pareceu-me que faltou ali um pedaço do episódio
gostei do agente e da cena final, veremos o que sai daqui

mas vou continuar a segui ate porque adoro o trabalho do Joss e este pilot não era inteiramente dele
Quis dizer que a Dushku não tem o carisma ideal para este personagem, reparei que não consegue interiorizar a personalidade que assume, é superficial... mas como dizes foi só um episódio e o Joss deve lá saber o que faz.

Mas isto tudo é irrelevante, os meios de produção até são bons.

O que me chateia é a linha de argumento, o assumir de personalidades, isto parece um cruzamento de Total Recall com The Pretender...

Para mim é Déja-vu a mais, o tom soft também não me agrada.

Mas não vou bater mais no ceguinho. Do Joss nunca gostei da Buffy, mas gostei do Angel, adorei Firefly... isto é, os trabalhos mais maduros e com argumentos originais.

Vejamos os próximos capítulos.
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Re: DOLLHOUSE - SÉRIE I

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Esse epic fail é o tipico exagero que se encontra na internet. Alias, se há exemplo não seguir é o do Pretender (do qual eu até gostava bastante quando vi na altura), já que engonhou ad eternum os seus mistérios, nunca resolveu nada e foi fazendo sucessivas alterações à mitologia que só a enfraqueceram.

Eu gostei de Dollhouse, tem o seu quê de Philip K Dick-iano, gostei da atmosfera dentro da Dollhouse propriamente dita e o conceito da série permite uma grande variedade no caso da semana (ao contrário de Fringe, da qual também gosto mas que é bastante formulaica) e achei interessante as personalidades serem de pessoas reais. Para além disso alguns personagens são imediatamente fascinantes, nomeadamente a da Amy Acker.

E, apesar de ter semelhanças com outras séries (Pretender e Alias) não vi grandes semelhanças com as séries passadas do Whedon e isso para mim é bom, significa que está a tentar fzer algo diferente e não mais do mesmo.
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Re: DOLLHOUSE - SÉRIE I

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Vi o primeiro episódio e por enquanto estou no estado de indiferente, tenho de ver como a história desenvolve para ver se vale a pena.
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Como a FOX consegue cancelar séries mais depressa do que eu faço a barba, vou esperar até ver se a serie aguenta antes de começar a ver.
Pelo amor de Deus, que nunca façam um remake, prequel, sequel, reboot, whatever do Blade Runner, e nem sou católico...
Update: Ridley Scott, estás oficialmente na minha shitlist!
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Sim, é melhor esperar...
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Re: DOLLHOUSE - SÉRIE I

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Depois de ter visto 3 episódio de The Dollhouse, começo a achar que o nome da série devia ser alterado para The Dullhouse...

A série é demasiado fraquinha!
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